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the stovall ranch

8/1/2017

.When I woke up this morning in the Sheridan Wyoming Walmart parking lot I had 10 or 12 other RVs parked around me, when I went to bed last night there were only four, looks like things got busy after I went to sleep.

I drove to Hardin Montana and got a campsite at a KOA, I believe in the last 10 years this is the second KOA I've stayed at since they're not at the top of my list of places to be, there expensive, crowded, and nickel and dime you to death. But in this case I was kind of stuck as the other campground in town didn't look all that great and this was as close as I could get to the ranch I'm going to be staying at for a few days.

Since the ranch is out in the middle of nowhere on a long bumpy dirt road I didn't want to take the Arctic Fox there before I checked out the situation with my truck first. I find it far less stressful to do my scouting without a trailer behind me that's impossible to turn around on a narrow dirt road.

I met some folks at the ranch including the owner and the ranch manager who seem like really nice people. Not only that but they work just as hard and get just as dirty as the ranch hands, and cowboys that work for them.

I believe they told me that the ranch was about 160,000 acres and will often have as many as 10,000 head of cattle with only 10 or 12 permanent people that take care of all that. There's a lot more temporary people here during branding and calving season and when they're cutting the hay.

Today they had brought in a couple of hundred cows off the range and there was a veterinarian here seeing which ones were pregnant and which ones were not using an ultrasound machine.

Tomorrow I'll leave here and drag the Arctic Fox out to the ranch, which I'm kind of dreading because the dirt road is mostly washboard, and park it between the bunkhouse and the horse barn. And since the Cowboys get up at 4 o'clock in the morning to get the horses saddled up and eat breakfast, I'm hoping they tiptoe around quietly so they don't wake me up. But realistically I don't think that's going to happen.

theboondork

15 Comments

Darrell

8/2/2017 05:40:25 am

So, you're starting your next career as a Wrangler,,,,,, Cool. I've always heard that's a young mans game but I'm sure you will hold up fine. Be safe, have fun. :)

theboondork

8/2/2017 07:41:30 am

Darrell I couldn't do all day what these guys do before breakfast. I'm not even sure why these guys do what they do. They get up every morning before the sun comes up and work until everything gets done, that might be early afternoon or they might not even get to bed that night. They never know if they can get a day off until that day arrives. And even then they might have to go repair a fence before they can take off. They set on a hot horse all day in hundred degree heat, breathing choking dust stirred up by the cattle. They work hurt, they work sick. But you will never know it because they don't tell anyone. And for all this they get room, board and below minimum wage pay.

Nope, a wranglers life is not for me. I have immense respect for the guys that live this lifestyle because there a dying breed. But I'm just an observer that grew up on cowboy movies and always wanted to see what the real life is like.

Tom

Tim

8/3/2017 09:09:08 am

Hi Tom - I've been following your blog for a while now and it's been really interesting. I'm getting really close to retirement and I've been looking at a lot of different options, including getting an Arctic Fox 27-5l and traveling full time.

So, here's my question: Are you glad that you're now full-time RVing? Any regrets going this route? Would you have done anything different? Would you have gotten a different rig?

Sorry for all the questions, but this has been one of the toughest decisions of my life. As background, I've had RV's in the past and liked it (but have never fulltimed). I've sold my house and live in an apartment now, just waiting till the time is right to pull the trigger on retirement.

Thanks!

8/3/2017 03:57:30 pm

Thank you for being a reader Tim, and your questions aren't a problem at all in fact I think a lot of people who are considering going full time have the same basic questions, I know I did.

Going full time is not like changing jobs, or moving to a new house, it's a complete change of life, there will be almost nothing in your life that doesn't get modified in one way or another when you go full time.

But that's a good thing, because you get to choose what you want your new life to be and it can be anything you want only limited by how much money you're able to spend. You can do what I do and boondock most of the time, or you can live in RV parks surrounded by people. You can eat out at fancy restaurants, or you can warm up a can of soup. You can tow an Arctic Fox or you can drive a $2 million motorhome. It's your brand-new life and you get to design it the way you want, Which for a lot of people is the first time in their life they've ever been able to live the way they want without trying to please somebody else.

The fact that you have RV experience is a big plus. I meet people on the road who have never been in an RV in their life until the day they retired and now they're trying to deal with a brand-new lifestyle and a big expensive machine that they know little or nothing about. Now they will do okay because RVing people are some of the most helpful people around so they will never be a shortage of people to help them on their way.

And as for your questions. Yes, no, no, no.

I'm joking, I'll elaborate just a little bit. I would not change my lifestyle at all, I absolutely love being a full timer and I've had no regrets whatsoever, and if I had to do it all over again I can't think of anything that I would do differently. And by the way I love my Arctic Fox 27 – 5L. I can see that one day I may want to get something smaller but I'm not sure about that. If it's been raining for two days it sure is nice to have all the extra space and be able to walk around the trailer without bumping into a wall.

You know going full time does not have to be the last thing on earth that you ever do. There are people that full time for a few years and then buy another home somewhere and settle down, although I can't imagine why. So if you don't like the lifestyle after you've tried it you can always rent another apartment. Heck you can even get another job if you want, Heaven forbid.

I guess I was lucky because it wasn't a tough decision for me like you say it's been for you, as soon as I thought about it I couldn't wait to hit the road and I never thought for a minute that I wouldn't enjoy it. So let me know why it's been such a tough decision, maybe I can tell you more reasons why it's such a great way to live for some people.

Tom

8/4/2017 08:36:19 am

Hi Tom,

Thanks for the quick, very complete response to my post. It hit on a lot of issues I'm facing and it's given me a lot to think about. It was really great to hear that you love your lifestyle (I'm living vicariously through your posts) and that you like the 27-5L.

I'll try to answer your question about my concerns. Some of them I know and can verbalize; some of them, I can't put my finger on exactly.

I think in a broad and overall way, the biggest hesitation is just the fear of the unknown. Not really that anything bad will happen, but just that I start this adventure and realize that there may have been a better option for me. However, I have that same uneasiness with the thought of buying a house or condo somewhere and feeling trapped in one place.

You hit the nail on the head when you said that it's the first time people can live the way they want without having to please anyone. That's exactly the situation I'm in. The world is wide open and I can do anything I want, but wow at all the different possibilities. I think that's one thing that really appeals to me about fulltime rving, is that you can experience a lot of different areas in a short period of time (or, if you choose, stay in one area for an extended about of time).

The other issue that I hesitate on is the size of the RV to get. I had a 27 foot Class C several years ago and really liked it, but it was a pain once you got to your camping area. Really tough to go sight seeing. We pulled a small car, put I never want to pull a toad again, especially by myself. I've also thought about going much smaller into a converted Ford Transit (with the high roof, extended), but I'm worried that might be a tad small. The Arctic Fox 27-5L looks like it might be a great compromise between a really large and really small rig.

One other big hurdle I have to get over is actually pulling the trigger on retirement. Financially, I could handle retirement, but there is something psychological that holds me back. I'm still relatively young (58), but I see people my age getting sick and/or dying all the time around me, so I realize that my time on this planet is finite. It's tough walking away from a relatively stable job and income, but all security is really an illusion and things at my company could change in a heartbeat.

On the very positive front, I started the downsizing this year by selling my house of 22 years and getting rid of approximately 98% of my stuff. It was a really, really tough thing to do, but it was so worth it and has simplified my life to an incredible degree. To go into an RV, I would still probably need to get rid of at least 75% of what I have left, but now that I've gotten through the hardest part, I don't expect that to be quite so difficult.

If I do go full timing, I would probably gravitate to state and national parks to start with (most RV parks I didn't care for much), but do more boondocking as I felt more comfortable with the lifestyle.

One other big area that has concerned me has been the potential loss of community while RVing, but from everything I've been reading and watching on YouTube, it seems that you just exchange one community for another, so I've gotten past that issue.

There are many other small issues and details that go through my head from time to time on full time rving, but I think these are probably my biggest concerns right now.

If I think of more, I'll post later.

Thanks again!

8/4/2017 01:32:46 pm

Thank you for sharing all of that Tim. I would be willing to bet that a lot of readers have the same questions and the same concerns that you have enumerated in both of your comments. And I say that because two years ago before I went full-time, with a few minor changes I could've written both of those comments. But you're on the right track at least you're looking at an alternative lifestyle. You've lived the other way all of your life, now's the chance to try something better.

I think this apprehension that you're feeling is to one degree or another the same thing that most of us feel when we need to make a big step in our life. But I think in the case of going full time you can think of it as a step up instead of a step over a cliff. Because unlike falling into an abyss, going full time is not only a great way to live for a lot of people, but like I mentioned yesterday, it's fully and completely reversible. You don't even have to tell people you're a full timer you can tell them you're on vacation, that way you will sound very normal. Or you can tell them your taking a much-needed break from work, that way you will sound like you're still a productive citizen. Or you can tell people what I often say which is I'm taking a sabbatical, that way you sound very intelligent.

The point is you can just try out living in an RV you don't have to keep doing it if you don't like it. I've talked to people who did the opposite thing, they took an extended vacation to see some National Parks and decided they never wanted to go home again. That's the beauty of the RV life style.

Yes your right they are a tremendous amount of possibilities open when you decide that you're free to make choices in your life, especially when you have more years behind you than you do in front. But when you condense those choices down to their basics there's only two choices, you can choose to live or you can choose to die. If you choose to live then all you've got to do is decide what makes you happy and find a way to accomplish that. If you choose to die you don't have to do anything, it will find you.

it looks like you've already figured out community is not a problem when you're on the road. You will meet people everywhere you stop and you will be invited to join them at happy hour in the clubhouse, or join their campfire out in the boondocks, or pull your trailer up in a group of other Arctic Fox people. You can have just as many friends or acquaintances that you want to have. And since most full timers travel to the same areas, cool places in the summer warm places in the winter, you will often run into the same people that you met a few months ago. And remember since your all RVers you immediately have a bunch of things in common and plenty to talk about.

I have completely modified my way of traveling from what I thought it would be when I started full timing. I was planning on some boondocking and some RV parks but after a few months I realized that boondocking was what really appealed to me so now I spend most of my time boondocking and very few days in an RV park. You see that's what the freedom of full timing is all about, your not stuck doing one thing, your not even stuck doing the thing that you planned on doing. The ideas of what makes you happy can change from day to day and you're free to change with them. I'm proud of myself for my lack of planning, I try to wake up every morning and do something I want to do and not something that I should be doing, which explains why my vacuum cleaner will get old, but will never wear out.

The type and size of the RV you choose is kind of a big deal, but try not to stress out about choosing the perfect RV for a lifestyle that you've never lived before. Plenty of people end up living in a different RV than the one they started with, yes I know it can get expensive doing that, but how else can you figure it out. You already know what you don't want, a class C pulling a toad, but that still leaves a whole bunch of different RVs that you could choose, And Unfortunately there's no way to tell what will work great for you since at this point in time you don't know what kind of RV lifestyle you would like to live.

But here's a very rough rule of thumb that I just made up. If you like to travel and explore a lot, and not stay someplace for very long. If you're an outdoor person and like to sit outside under the awning, go out and do things for most of the day, barbecue outdoors, and mostly use the RV to sleep in at night. then a smaller easier to maneuver good gas mileage RV may be better for you.

If you're the opposite of all of that and plan on spending most of your time inside then a bigger RV will be the way to go.

Another rule of thumb I just made up is there's no perfect RV. They've all got there good points and bad points and anyone you choose is going to be a compromise between having a lot of things you like and learning to live with the things you don't. So there's no nee

8/4/2017 01:45:46 pm

Wow, I wrote more than my comment section will allow, I didn't know there was a limit. So here's the end of my comments.

So there's no need to overthink it because in the end its still gonna be a compromise.

If people in their late 50s are getting sick and dying all around you I would suggest that you run, don't walk, to your nearest RV dealer, buy anything he's got on the lot and get out of town immediately. I would suggest moving to Sarasota Florida everyone there is at least 100 years old.

I agree fully with your assessment of RV parks. In my opinion their a necessary evil that should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. Boondocking became the way I wanted to live almost immediately after staying in a few RV parks. I know some people love the community and the comradare of an RV park. But I am far happier if my slideout is not two feet from my neighbor's window and and I'm not paying motel rates for a parking spot.

Let me sum up my feelings like this. If I was unsure of the full-time lifestyle and couldn't make up my mind if it was what I wanted to do I would.... not burn my bridges, get an inexpensive RV of some kind, get a leave of absence from work, take an extended vacation, visit some places you find interesting, try to get to Quartzsite Arizona this winter where you can learn everything you need to know about boondocking, relax and do what you want to do every day.

Now this has to be an extended vacation. My experience has been that it takes a minimum of one month to get the rat race out of your system, but the longer the better. After that you should have a pretty good idea about whether or not full timing is the life for you, and what kind of RV best suits your new life. And if you decide that living in an RV is not for you, you still have an apartment, a job, and the rat race to go back to.

Tom

8/7/2017 07:40:31 am

Wow Tom - Tremendous amounts of good information there; you should consider making it into a post for your blog.

I was hoping to write back sooner, but had to spend time this weekend on a computer upgrade, so my computer was down for much of that time.

There is so much to respond to in your posts but I'm still digesting a lot of it. However, the one area that I have spend a considerable amount of time thinking about is what kind of RV to get if I go full timing.

I've come to the same conclusion you have about the overall types of RV depending on if you like to travel more or stay in one place more. My thoughts are either a Class B (probably a converted Ford Transit) for the better gas mileage and maneuverability or a smaller Fifth Wheel (leaning toward the AF 27-5l).

I see the pros and cons of each type unit. One question for you: Traveling mainly by yourself, do you ever find it difficult to maneuver the AF? For example, any difficulty backing into camping spots? That's another area that I think a Class B would be easier to handle. However, I'm sure it's probably like anything else in life and once you get used to a fifth wheel, it's probably no big deal.

Also, I would think the Class B would be more able to get into tight camping spots at boondocking areas or even national or state parks. However, I really like the idea of being able to unhook and take a truck to sight see, the store, etc.

Any way, I'll leave it at that for now. I've reread your last posts several times and want to go back and read them some more and will probably post another comment later.

Oh, btw, I'm into photography as well (one of them reasons I want to go full time rving) and your photography is top notch. I'm really enjoying the series about the Stovall Ranch and your photos of life there.

8/7/2017 11:25:24 am

I've also given thoughts to living in a van but that comes with a whole slew of problems which can be difficult to deal with, from the hard stuff like how do you get your life down small enough to fit all of your stuff in a van and still have room to live. To simple things like, how do you hold your boondocking spot when you have to go to town, yeah you can leave your folding chair there but it might be gone when you get back.

But pulling a trailer is fraught with problems to, like having more tires and more bearings to worry about. And accidentally getting on a small country road where there's no place to turn around and you have to keep driving miles out of your way hoping it doesn't dead end somewhere. But like I said before no RVs perfect you have to pick the one with the imperfections that you can live with.

Traveling by myself hasn't been a problem, it can be inconvenient but not really a problem. Backing up hasn't been difficult because I put a backup camera on the rear of the Arctic Fox. About the only time assistance would be nice is when I'm hooking up the trailer, I usually have to get out two or three times to see how it's going back there, and when I'm pulling the trailer up on some leveling blocks I usually have to get out a couple of times to see if my tires are in the right place. Other than that I think the biggest problem is buying food and making meals for one person. There's a lot of waste because you don't want to eat the same thing all the time, and you end up throwing things away because they've expired because you just can't eat even a small jar of mayonnaise that quickly.

As for backing into campsites I could write a whole blog post about my deficiencies in that regard in fact I think I have. But fortunately boondocking usually enables you to have plenty of room to pull through your campsite, and in RV parks I always request a pull-through site. My biggest problem has often been in state parks and national parks where they have lots of back in sites and very few pull-through's. So before I go to those places I look them up on Google Earth and zoom in so I can see the camping area and you can easily tell if there are pull-through's or not. I can back up and occasionally have to do so, but it's ugly.

But in general it's far easier to find back in sites than it is to find pull-through's and you will be able to stay in a lot more places if have a small enough RV to be able to back into small spaces.

One of the best things about a trailer is to be able to leave it at your site and use your truck as a daily driver. I've always preferred driving a pickup rather than a car and have done so for the last 30 years, and I especially like diesels if you're pulling a trailer as heavy as the Arctic Fox 27 – 5L.

Thank you for your kind words about my pitiful snapshots. I used to have lots of different hobbies but living in an RV is not conducive to caring around a bunch of hobby stuff, but photography fits the bill perfectly. If you write a blog about your travels, which you should because you write very well, photography fits into your blog posts perfectly.

Tom

8/8/2017 09:05:31 am

Hi Tom,

I fluctuate a lot on the idea of a van (even getting the largest I can find), mainly because of the issues you mention. I do see the positives in it, but trying to get my whole life in one is difficult; doable, but problematic. I haven't ruled it out, but I'm leaning away from that idea right now.

Having all the extra tires, bearings, and axles on a trailer or fifth wheel has given me pause as well. My house that I just sold was relatively old, so I was constantly working on it and would like to keep the maintenance and upkeep to a minimum. That's one reason I keep coming back to the Arctic Fox. It's a little more expensive upfront, but it seems to be built better overall.

The dead end road scenario is a scary thought for me, as is pulling into a gas station and realizing that I don't fit and having to back into traffic. I'm sure it's probably doesn't come up that often (especially after getting more experience), but there will almost definitely be a few moments like that (if my Class C experience is any indication).

I think a lot of it comes down to one of the things you said in a previous post "Do you can choose to live or you can choose to die". For some reason, I think living a life in an apartment seems like choosing death (although a very comfortable death) and choosing an RV is living life to the max. Continuing to work is it's on special kind of death (maybe Purgatory?).

Thanks for the words about my writing. I used to have a blog, but it became too much to keep it going and work full time. It's still online (but not active), so that's something I hope to revive with a different focus after retirement.

Thanks again for the tremendous input! I'm still going back and reading through your posts and picking out words of wisdom.

Tim

8/8/2017 03:05:41 pm

There is no way that I could've started my full timing life living in a van, but I think after I'm able to give up more of my things and have become better at the full timing lifestyle, it may be possible. A lot of full timers shrink their lives over time as we all learn that we don't need all of the stuff that we've accumulated over the years, and it has become things that own us instead of the other way around. Remember what Janis Joplin once said in a song, "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" so I don't believe I'll ever be free until I've gotten rid of a lot more of the things that I carry around.

I feel like the Arctic Fox is better built, that's one of the reasons it's so heavy for its size. But unfortunately there's no guarantee that any RV is going to hold up for long especially if you boondock down long washboard dirt roads. You can only ask so much of a house on wheels. Imagine how a sticks and bricks house would do if it had to go through a hurricane and an earthquake every day the way an RV does when you're pulling it down the interstate in the rain.

I have nightmares about roads to nowhere that I can't turn around on. I've been on a couple but a place to turn around has always saved me even if it's somebody's driveway. I think one reason I've been that lucky is that unlike some folks who love to drive the back roads I prefer the interstates to get from one place to another. I know I probably miss a lot of pretty scenery but the interstates are way safer, there's a lot more help available if you have a mechanical problem, and the highway is generally in better condition than the two-lane back roads.

Another good thing about the interstates is you have quick and easy access to truck stops and larger gas stations. Whereas the little towns on the back roads may be very scenic but you may not fit into Ma and Pa Kettles gas station and taxidermist shop. But you will become good at sizing up a gas station at a glance and is best to move on if you have the slightest suspicion that you won't fit. Since I have a short bed GMC truck and they only come with a 25 gallon fuel tank, I have a spare fuel tanks that holds 18 gallons and I start looking for gas stations when I'm half empty, better safe than sorry.

Since I'm retired work is no longer something I have to worry about let alone participate in. But I think back to all of the years that I sold the hours of my life for a few dollars and now that I'm old I would gladly buy those hours back for any price. The hours of a person's life is worth more than money their priceless, enjoy them while you can.

Always nice to talk to you Tim.

Tom

8/9/2017 07:20:11 am

Hi Tom,

This statement of yours is one of the most profound that I've ever read in regards to retirement (or maybe any topic, for that matter): "But I think back to all of the years that I sold the hours of my life for a few dollars and now that I'm old I would gladly buy those hours back for any price. The hours of a person's life is worth more than money their priceless, enjoy them while you can."

That is incredibly powerful stuff and gives me even more to think about. In the last few years, it's hitting me that none of us are immortal and we have to make the most of our time. What good is a bunch of money when we're gone (especially since the government will probably get a big chunk of any inheritance)? But, I can't think of a more concise or accurate way to think about it than your statement.

Great idea on the interstates. If I went with a fifth wheel, my thought would be similar. I would just want to get the trailer from point a to point b as efficiently as possible and then use the truck to explore the area. If I was in a Class B or van, I would probably be more apt to take the back roads.

I figure that a fifth wheel maybe has 10 good years in it before it would need to be replaced. What's your thoughts on replacement timings for your 27-5l?

You've put an amazing amount of information here. It would be a shame if gets buried in the comment section where people may not find it. I hope you consider making some posts out of your comments if you're looking for material (looks like you have plenty right now on the ranch); I think it would help people find them and it could be really helpful to others in the same boat as me.

Thanks again for these thoughtful posts. They have been incredibly helpful to me putting things into perspective.

Oh, and in one of your posts, you mention how hard it is to cook for one with out the food going bad. I have the same problem living in a house and now the apartment. I have to be very careful not to buy too much, because it can take me a while to eat it all, and like you, I get tired of eating the same thing day in and day out. I guess the one advantage compared to an RV is that I have a bigger freezer, so sometimes I'll just cook a bunch of stuff up and then freeze it; that's helped a lot.

Tim

8/9/2017 10:03:23 am

Thank you for the profound complement, I've never been accused of being profound before, silly... Yes, lazy.... Most of the time, homeless bum... Every now and then, But never profound. I hope folks don't expect me to do that again because that's a mighty high mark to live up to.

I haven't given much thought to the Arctic Fox wearing out because I've had cheap junkie RVs that have lasted longer than 10 years, my 27 – 5L is almost half that age already and I still consider it almost new. I've met people that are living in RVs far older than 10 years. I think it depends on not only how well they were designed and built, but how they were maintained, how many beat up dirt roads they were driven on, and how many miles they were driven.

Some snowbirds stay on the interstates and drive 3000 miles a year from their RV Park up north to their RV park down south and then turn around and take the same highway north again. An RV that lives that kind of life can last a very long time, if properly maintained.

That's a good idea about doing something with these comments, I've never had comments that went this in depth before, nor became this "profound". I'm going to give that some thought, maybe I could make another page for the blog just for comments that turn into a discussion about the RVing lifestyle that would be of interest to others. Yeah I may just do that.

Cooking for one is a lot easier if you like to cook and have the skills and knowledge to do so, but unfortunately my cooking knowledge is limited to how to put out a grease fire, which I learned from experience and not just by reading the book. The small size of the freezer is one of the problems but a bigger problem is having to wash all of the pots and pans and dishes that cooking meals requires. All of that and especially the rinsing requires a lot of water and water is one of those things you try to conserve while boondocking. So for lazy people like me, heating up a can of something resembling food doesn't take much time and you can wipe the pot out with a paper towel and be done with it. And while I'm thinking about it make sure your RV carries plenty of water, the Arctic Fox 27 – 5L has a 76 gallon tank and I have found that sufficient for myself boondocking alone without having to come into town and fill it up every week.

Thanks again for the comments Tim.

Tom

8/11/2017 09:12:47 am

Hi Tom,

I hear on the cooking skills. I can cook a few basic things, but nothing fancy for sure. I have been very conscious of my water usage lately and it's amazing how much I use just to clean up the kitchen after cooking (not to mention all the other uses of water in an apartment); it would require some serious habit changes for me to go full-time.

I'm glad you like the size of the 27-5l's water tanks. That was another feature that interested me in them, plus the holding tanks look larger than most fifth wheels of that length. Of course, I guess all of that adds to the weight, which means a little beefier truck, but I'm guessing it would definitely be worth it.

My thought is that an RV that is used regularly (and is decently built) might hold up as long or longer than one that sits a lot. One of the biggest problems with my Class C is that I live in the Northeast and didn't have an RV shed for it, so the winters were really tough on it. I think if it had spent it's winters in a nicer climate that maybe it would have fared better.

Hope you have a great weekend!

Tim

8/11/2017 04:44:00 pm

If you enjoy eating nice meals then being a competent cook is a good thing, but my cooking skills are minimal and even with some excellent advice from one of my readers I still can't manage to cook anything I want to eat twice in a row.

Water is a big deal for boondocking and up to a point the more you can carry the better. If you make it out to the desert Southwest you will see people pulling a fifth wheel and the bed of their truck will be half full of 1 gallon water containers.

Water conservation is a way of life for boondocker's, Navy showers, and birdbaths,[washing up in the sink] is pretty common. And things like catching your shower water and using that to flush the toilet are ways of saving water.

I pull my Arctic Fox 27 – 5L with a three-quarter ton GMC Duramax and technically I should probably have a one ton Dooley but I just didn't want to use a truck that big for a daily driver. It does just fine pulling the trailer up and down mountains, And I've got some helper springs under the rear so it rides fairly level. I figure the truck will probably wear out faster with this heavy load but so far it's doing just fine.

Yeah your class C probably would've fared better in a more temperate climate and so might you I may add. And as a rule of thumb If you're in a place where the climate is so bad it harms your RV you are doing this whole fulltimer thing wrong.

Tom

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